tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3681724653679910870.post7613578065817498775..comments2024-03-05T15:04:47.678-08:00Comments on Dominican Liturgy: Dominican Rite Missa Cantata at San Buenaventura Mission CAFr. Augustine Thompson, O.P.http://www.blogger.com/profile/13650004591673135663noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3681724653679910870.post-72445187944800411192009-04-04T15:08:00.000-07:002009-04-04T15:08:00.000-07:00Thank you so much for your response. Not all doms ...Thank you so much for your response. Not all doms are in favour of the desire to celebrate our own rite. My own province is very progressive, and very Novus Ordo, however, those who are not in favour will still look at this website and see names they recognize. They dont have these hangups in the US. How much is the conference going to cost? Where will we be accomodated? Do we bring a flask and sandwiches or will be fed? I would like to go very much. My email address:lurganshannagh@yahoo.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3681724653679910870.post-34622391805519084052009-04-03T17:08:00.000-07:002009-04-03T17:08:00.000-07:00Dear Friar, If you cannot put in with an identity,...Dear Friar, <BR/><BR/>If you cannot put in with an identity, just sign your message with your name at the end of your post.<BR/><BR/>Yes, different rubrics were used in different provinces, as I have explained on a number of times in the posts on this site.<BR/><BR/>It is hard to answer your question about why the servers face each other. They do so at any number of times in the Missa Cantata (which this was), as is explained in the Latin rubrics of the missal and in Bonniwell's ceremonial, which you say you have.<BR/><BR/>And no, in the Dominican Rite the altar is not incensed at the beginning of Mass in the Missa Cantata or in the Solemn Mass. In both cases the first incensation of the altar is at the Offertory (but the servers and minor ministers are incensed later, during the Preface).<BR/><BR/>Why don't you register for the conference in Oakland in August? There you will have a chance to learn the rubrics from priests who have been celebrating the Mass in all its forms continuously since 1969? We would be happy to help you learn to celebrate properly.<BR/><BR/>It is great to have older priests instruct, but it is better to have those who were taught by "older" priests in the 1970s and have been celebrating ever since as your teachers.Fr. Augustine Thompson, O.P.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13650004591673135663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3681724653679910870.post-10031364052635928122009-04-03T12:38:00.000-07:002009-04-03T12:38:00.000-07:00Can´t see how to compose identity. Why are these s...Can´t see how to compose identity. Why are these sites so complicated. I am a dom friar. Is that enough. I have celebrated the Dom rite using Bonniwell, the Missal of 1965 which has a liturgicl calender until 2016 and the memories of friars now in their 70´s and 80´s. I supect that even with the rigourous rubrics different provinces had their own interpretations. Why do the servers face one another? Bonniwell only makes mention of this in the Solemn High Mass. Why is the Sanctus Candle on the Altar when different doms have told me it was on the credence and extinguished after the ablutions and not after the priests communion. Do dominicans incense the altar at the beginning of mass as the romans do during the kyrie or is the offertery the first time they incense the altar? Hope someone sees this before the Feast of St Catherine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3681724653679910870.post-34405685317168993462008-05-19T21:46:00.000-07:002008-05-19T21:46:00.000-07:00Dear Gabriel,You can find references to the candle...Dear Gabriel,<BR/><BR/>You can find references to the candles and the large candelabra in Caerem. nn. 468, 518, 1000. The exact number lighted depends on the feast and it is somewhere in the Missal rubrics (to which these norms refer. I don't have the facility to hunt it out now. I have seen pictures of this in pract. You can see them in use (although not yet lighted) in the picture for the Gospel in the post here on the Solemn Mass. The numbers lighted are 6, 4, or 2, depending on the rank of the feast. The practice you have seen is that of Low Mass.<BR/><BR/>Whatever the CIC says on "one's own rite," remember that since 1969, the "rite of the Order" is the new Roman Rite. In the section on canonical status on the side bar, I cover the older (pre-1969) discipline protecting our obligation to use our own liturgy.<BR/><BR/>Summorum Pontificum gives to all priests of the Latin Church the right to use the old Mass, that includes regulars who previously had their own rites. I don't know what it means for the Carthusians, who still have de iure their own rite as the only use. But this would apply to Masses that are not the community Mass. SP says that Community Mass is only to be in the old Rite if the superiors agree to it. See the canonical status link for more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3681724653679910870.post-70582364468475482682008-05-19T15:59:00.000-07:002008-05-19T15:59:00.000-07:00Father,It is interesting what you said about the S...Father,<BR/><BR/>It is interesting what you said about the Sanctus candle because I had only experienced the single candle on the Epistle side of the altar.<BR/><BR/>But the question remains about the Code of Canon Law about only being able to celebrate ones own rite. I know that this is primarily an East v. West issue but unless I am off base it technically would apply to say a Dominican celebrating the Mozarabic Rite, ad libitum, for instance. <BR/><BR/>On a related point would you agree with my statement that Summorum Pontificum liberalizes the use of the Roman Rite (usus antiquior) for all religious communities even those who had their own rite (or in the case of the Capuchin tradition of the so called Franciscan Use) prior to the universal adherence to the Modern Roman Rite?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com