tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3681724653679910870.post5797526736526444441..comments2024-03-05T15:04:47.678-08:00Comments on Dominican Liturgy: Dominican Rite Solemn Mass: Feast of St. Dominic, Portland OR 2011Fr. Augustine Thompson, O.P.http://www.blogger.com/profile/13650004591673135663noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3681724653679910870.post-19817054991070681322011-12-29T10:16:20.252-08:002011-12-29T10:16:20.252-08:00Oh, one nuance. As to the question of whether a l...Oh, one nuance. As to the question of whether a lector/acolyte can vest as a subdeacon. I assumed you meant in the Extraordinary Rite. My rely concerns that possibility.<br /><br />In the Ordinary form the proper vesting of a lector (if the lector is a installed and a cleric) is the alb or a cassock and surplice. There is no provision for use of the dalmatic for a lector. Also, in the old rite the lector (who sang the prophecy as a third reading on a number of feasts) never wore a dalmatic. He wore a surplice with the cassock or habit.Fr. Augustine Thompson, O.P.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13650004591673135663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3681724653679910870.post-19607002981500561502011-12-29T10:09:47.391-08:002011-12-29T10:09:47.391-08:00Dear James Joseph,
Sorry this reply is so late, b...Dear James Joseph,<br /><br />Sorry this reply is so late, but the comment was late also. I hope you get it. Here are your questions with answers:<br /><br />How do a sub-deacon and a properly instituted lector compare?<br /><br />A lector (old from or new form) is not a subdeacon, they are installed by different rites (in both the old and new liturgy). All those ordained in the old rite as sub-deacons had already been installed as lectors (old form); so too the modern acolyte is already installed as a lector. By the way, since the office of the modern acolyte (which is NOT the same as the old office of acolyte), may be called a subdeacon if the bishops' conference so decides: because functionally the two ministries are the same.<br /><br />Are dub-deacons ordained into minor orders or are they instituted by competant authority?<br /><br />I assume you mean "sub-deacons." If the old rite of conferring minor orders is used, they are "ordained to minor orders"; if the new rite is used, the proper language is "instituted to the ministry." So "installation" and "ordination" are functionally equivalent: one is used in the old rite, the other in the new. By the way, "ordination" to the minor orders could (and can) be done by a non-bishop, e.g. an abbot, if delegated by the bishop. This is also true today, since the bishop is the "ordinary" minister of this installation.<br /><br />Is it possible to chant the Epistles in Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite?<br /><br />Yes, I have done it many times. And the Gospel may also be sung. The music books (Ordinary Form) have the chants for both.<br /><br />And, is it appropriate for a properly instituted lector to vest as a sub-deacon, assuming the deacon is suitably vested in a dalmatic?<br /><br />There is a need to distinguish here. An installed lector is not functionally a "sub-deacon." BUT, in the Extraordinary form is was (and is) common for even a layman to dress and function as a "straw" subdeacon (he does not however wear the maniple). An installed acolyte, as functionally equal to a subdeacon (and even in places so called) can certainly function in all respects as a subdeacon: his installation is functionally equal to that of the old minor order of subdeacon (and uses the same ritual: handing over of the chalice and paten).<br /><br />Is it possible that we could have an entry discussing this at length?<br /><br />I don't think that would be helpful and something of a distraction from the topic of this blog. This issue has been discussed (ad nauseum) at New Liturgical Movement and at What Does the Prayer Really Say" (Fr. Z.). I suggest you do a search on either to see the comments.Fr. Augustine Thompson, O.P.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13650004591673135663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3681724653679910870.post-32271323071432178492011-10-16T12:29:13.701-07:002011-10-16T12:29:13.701-07:00How do a sub-deacon and a properly instituted lect...How do a sub-deacon and a properly instituted lector compare? <br /><br />Are dub-deacons ordained into minor orders or are they instituted by competant authority?<br /><br />Is it possible to chant the Epistles in Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite?<br /><br />And, is it appropriate for a properly instituted lector to vest as a sub-deacon, assuming the deacon is suitably vested in a dalmatic?<br /><br />Is it possible that we could have an entry discussing this at length?James Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03601404337397444540noreply@blogger.com